Thanks so much to Yvette Haynes for the interview! I wrote about A Strange Desire some time ago and just a week or so ago Yvette’s sister, Julie, got in touch with me. Happily she helped me get in touch with Yvette, who was up for answering my questions, and in the end we got to make this great interview! A Strange Desire only released one flexi back in the 80s, and it is a classic for any C86 fans! If you haven’t heard about them before, today’s a good opportunity! Also Yvette was kind enough to share three photos from back in the day which I’m sharing with everyone here: 1, 2, 3. Enjoy!
++ Hi Yvette! Thanks so much for getting in touch! How are you? Where are you at now? I hear in Cornwall?
I moved to Cornwall about 15 years ago as I was fed up of the aggression in London. Too many people, too much hassle. It’s great being near the coast, and there’s so much beautiful wildlife here.
++ Are you all from A Strange Desire still in touch to this day? What are you all up to? Are you still involved with music?
Me and Tony Simmons have been in touch for the last few years, thanks to being able to track him down on the net! Nick has lived in Australia for some time, but I don’t really know where – with that and Tony moving to Sweden, we’re dotted all over the globe! I believe Nick is successfully writing soundtracks now, which doesn’t surprise me as he was always a phenomenal guitarist. Tony is still producing music on a personal level, as I am with my drumming. I did give up playing for about 20 years as I was so disillusioned with music, but fell back in love with the drums a couple of years ago.
++ Let’s start from the beginning. Like what are your first musical memories? What was the first instrument did you get and how?
It was always the drums for me, I wanted to play them from the age of about 7. My family couldn’t afford lessons, and school was of no help whatsoever (I took music with a view to being taught, but they never bothered. Ordinary secondary schools in England are like that!) So I just did what a lot of people do, bashed around teaching myself. Luckily, my sister was learning bass and my brother the guitar, so we all made a racket together – I was about 11 at this point! Our parents were fantastic, always supportive and putting up with the noise. I didn’t have a proper kit for years, just made do with odd drums I picked up secondhand.
++ Had any of you been involved with other bands prior to A Strange Desire?
Yeah, we all had come from other bands. Tony and Nick both grew up in Camden and went to school together in Kings Cross, which is why they had such a good understanding of each other and a great songwriting partnership. Their band Seven Colours split around the same time as the band I was in with my sister Julie, The Joy of Living, who’d had a collaborative EP with the Apostles released by Mortarhate.
++ So you all were from London, from the Camden area. How was around there back then? Were there any bands that you liked? What were the good record stores? Or what about the pubs or venues to go check out up and coming bands?
Tony and Nick were from Camden, I was from Harrow (a town in the suburbs), but I spent a lot of time in the Camden area as there was a lot more going on. It wasn’t the gentrified area it is now, it was pretty rough and ready. We really liked My Bloody Valentine, top people and such an exciting band. We rehearsed in the same studios as them, so used to chat to them quite a bit. It was great to see them get successful. We also really liked A Riot of Colour, I thought they never got the acclaim they deserved. The best venues in the area from what I remember was The Timebox and The Enterprise.
++ When and how did the band start? What was the recruiting process like?
put an ad in the NME in the summer of 1985, Tony was one of the responders. We got on really well and I loved the demo of Seven Colours he played me and that was that. Working with nice people was always at least as important to me as the music!
++ Why the name A Strange Desire?
We wanted to get away from being called ‘The’ …… as it was used so much at the time. I believe we looked through a book of film titles and just chose a few things that seemed to go nicely together.
++ How was the creative process for you? Where did you usually practice?
Tony and Nick lived in the same block of flats, so would go through ideas together, then we’d rehearse at Salem Studios in Euston. I’d get a basic understanding of the songs, record them and go and get my drum patterns worked out before the next rehearsal. We really needed more studio time, but had zero money, so had to make do with just a couple of hours a week. It was rather frustrating!
++ And who would you say were influences in the sound of the band?
We all loved The Smiths, Nick and Tony were into The Soft Boys too. I adored The Close Lobsters (still do), and we were all into punk – the music and the ideals. REM were another favourite.
++ Your one and only release was the “Promise To Lie/Until Tomorrow” flexi. I suppose it was self-released and the ASD in the catalog means A Strange Desire. Is that right?
Yes, we just kept it nice and simple. A flexi was much cheaper than a ‘proper’ vinyl release!
++ And how was the experience of self-releasing? Did you enjoy doing the distribution and promotion part?
It was a slog, to be honest. We really had no idea what to do, no one to advise us, we were clueless! We took some to the Rough Trade shop on a sale or return basis, that was very helpful being able to do that. The best promotion we could have was when John Peel played it several times. A friend of Tony’s lived not far from Peelie and hand delivered it for us.
++ These two songs are terribly good, wondering if you could tell me in a sentence or two what they are about?
Tony wrote the lyrics, but I always understood them generally to be about being let down in love. Tales of heartbreak!
++ Both were recorded at BB Studios in Kingston, Surrey. How was that experience? What do you remember about the place? How long did it take to record them? Did you only record these two songs that time?
We did the 2 tracks over 2 days, which included all the mixing etc. In retrospect, it would’ve been better to record several more tracks live, then just do overdubs as necessary. I think it would’ve suited our style more. I personally never liked the traditional way of recording, it just never seemed natural to me.
++ There were different paper sleeves for the flexi, different colors. Why was that? And how many different color sleeves did you use?
I think there were 3 or 4 different colours we used for the sleeves, basically just to add some variations to it. There are only a few of the red and gold ones, we gave them to people that had helped us out on the record as a thank you.
++ And who is the girl that appears on the sleeve of the flexi?
It’s Faye Dunaway, in a shot from Bonnie and Clyde. It’s a striking image, and just felt right.
++ Another song, “On Another Day”, appeared on the compilation “The Timebox”. I read that this compilation was put together by the people that ran The Timebox club at the Bull and Gate pub in Kentish Town. Did you play this club? How did you end up in the compilation? How was your relationship with them?
We played the Timebox many times, it was a fantastic venue. There is a shot of us playing there in Mick Mercer’s book on the place, that was a lovely surprise to see it. We supported the likes of Brilliant Corners, Blue Aeroplanes and My Bloody Valentine (we played lots of gigs with them). It was very sad that the promoter there, John Beast, passed away a few years ago, he did a lot for the indie scene of the time. It’s because we were regularly playing there that we got on the album, which was a real thrill.
++ Aside from that compilation and then much later on the Sound of Leamington Spa, where there any other compilation appearances that you remember of?
Yeah, Especially Yellow fanzine, run by the legendary Johnny Dee did a cassette compilation in 86 called Goodnight Miffy, he included a couple of tracks from the first demo.
++ And what about unreleased songs? From your Myspace I see a few like “Insanely Jealous (live 1986)”, “Sometimes”, “Wait Until Tomorrow (1986)” and “It Has to End (1986)”. Where do these come from? And are there more?
Insanely Jealous was a Soft Boys cover we used to do, it’s from a Timebox gig which was recorded from the mixing desk. It’s nice to have a decent quality recording! The rest of that gig is on a compilation CD I had made, there are only 3 in existence. It was just to ensure we have some copies before various cassettes disintegrated with age! Until Tomorrow is from the Flexi, and the other tracks were from our second demo.
++ Why do you think there were no more releases by the band? Was there any interest from other labels perhaps?
Playroom Discs from Brighton were going to release a single, but we split just as talks had started. I wasn’t working, and Tony and Nick only had part time jobs, so we just couldn’t have afforded to self finance another record.
++ What about gigs? Did you play many? Any in particular that you remember?
We played heaps of gigs, pretty much all in London. Basically, they had to be somewhere near public transport, as we had no van or anything, none of us could drive! Most bands lended each other equipment at gigs, there was generally a cooperative attitude. One of my favourite gigs was at the Enterprise supporting A Riot of Colour – we went down really well, it was the first time we’d been asked back for an encore. And a review of the gig appeared in NME, which was really nice. Another memorable one was at the Timebox one Christmas Eve – the band who’d agreed to lend their drum kit didn’t show up, so we miked up some dustbins and I used them instead. It turned out surprisingly well! We also played a few squatted venues alongside some anarcho bands; these gigs were really good, it would’ve been great to have been involved with more of these events.
++ You also crossed the channel and played Paris. Did you play any other cities in France? Or any other countries other than France? Any anecdotes about that trip?
We just played the one gig, at a university in Paris. We were lucky in that one of the organisers happened to be at one of our Timebox gigs and liked us, so invited us over. He even let us stay at his flat, which was kind (thank you, Maxime!) It was the biggest gig we played, hundreds of students there, and quite a big stage, so it was a bit daunting when you’re used to tiny venues. We started really badly because of this, but got better and ended up going down very well, which was a relief! It was an odd experience seeing posters around the place with our picture on! We were very naïve, and were always surprised whenever anyone showed much of an interest!
++ I read that a bunch of flexis were in a safe during that gig in Paris and you couldn’t find the key. In the end could you salvage them?
I don’t think we did! I certainly remember the frustration of quite a lot of the crowd wanting them, and we just couldn’t get to them (I think it was a locked room rather than a safe). Hopefully they ended up being distributed at a later date, I’ve seen a few being sold on auction sites from various European countries, so you never know!
++ And were there any bad gigs at all? Any anecdotes you could share?
Oh, there were lots of bad gigs! I think our debut was at an outdoor festival in Camden one afternoon – we played to all of 3 people for a while, then it started raining and we had to leg it with our gear! Equipment would break down quite regularly, I think most bands on that level have to deal with that happening! One pub in Dalston (east London) we played had what looked like a bullet hole in the window, that was a bit scary!
++ When and why did you split? Did you all continue making music afterwards?
We split around the summer of 87 as we felt we were just getting nowhere. Lack of funds for basics, and the effects of that, killed us. Tony and Nick couldn’t even afford landlines at the time, so even getting in touch with promoters, venues etc was a struggle. We had no contacts, and were totally unprepared for the stuff outside actually playing. This isn’t a whine, it’s just saying how things were. I have a lot of respect for bands that are in a similar situation and keep from being demoralised by it, there are plenty that go on regardless. I joined A Riot of Colour very briefly afterwards, they were very sweet people, but my heart wasn’t in it anymore. It’s fair to say I was devastated by ASD breaking up, it was everything to me at the time.
++ Something that caught my attention was that in the bio that appears in the Leamington Spa compilation you say that you never fitted in the indie scene of the time because of your unwillingness to crawl to the “important” people. May I ask now who these important people were, or is it still better not to name them?
I think it was journalists from certain papers and record label people in general. Tony wrote that piece, and I can guess a few of the people he’s talking about, but I’m keeping schtum!! 😂
++ Was there ever a reunion gig or talks of a reunion gig?
No, it was never on the cards. We all went our separate ways and that was that.
++ Did you get much attention from the radio or press?
John Peel playing the flexi those times was just awesome, he generated a lot of interest (I’ve still got the letters we got off the back of it asking for copies). The only mainstream press we received were live reviews in the NME and Melody Maker, which were great to see! We never took any of that for granted.
++ What about from fanzines?
Fanzines were very supportive, I’ve always thought of them as integral to any music scene. I used to write one with my sister Julie when we were teenagers, so I know how much hard work and passion goes into them. They the same ideals as bands like us, the whole DIY, rough and ready thing. We sent demos to quite a few, and got some really nice reviews. Time’s Up did an interview with us, I believe, I think I’ve still got it somewhere.
++ And today, aside from music, what other hobbies do you have?
West Cornwall has a great artistic community, and lots of great galleries. I love a lot of modern art and being able to see works by the likes of Tim Shaw or Barbara Hepworth locally is a real privilege. Wildlife watching is another love of mine, we get some astonishing rare birds down here.
++ How do you feel about the C86 genre, do you feel like you fit there or you’d say you were something else?
I’d say we fitted in fairly well to that, although our sound was a bit rockier, especially live. I loved the C86 thing, it was such an exciting time for music, so many great bands about. It was a breath of fresh air, the best thing since punk to my mind.
++ Looking back in retrospective, what would you say was the biggest highlight for the band?
It’d have to be being played by Peelie. I’d listened to him since I was 13, notebook and pen at the ready to scribble down new bands and records he played. Back then, he was the only national DJ that would give unknown and unpolished bands a chance. To be played on his show was exhilarating and gave us an audience in other parts of the country, and, indeed, Europe. We’ll always be grateful for that.
++ Never visited Cornwall, but would love to go one day, maybe I can ask for some suggestions? Like what are the sights I shouldn’t miss? Or the traditional food or drinks I should try?
Dolphin watching is an absolute joy here, there’s always a lot of sightings during the summer. There’s heaps of beautiful beaches and headlands. Virginia Woolf was inspired to write To The Lighthouse by the lighthouse near me at Godrevy. It’s a quiet county, a great place to chill with some phenomenal scenery. St Ives is well known for its art galleries, and Falmouth has a great music scene. Penzance has some great pagan festivals, paganism features heavily in Cornwall’s past – and present. As for food, pasties are the thing here. They were traditionally the meal for miners, but are constantly evolving!
++ Thanks again Yvette! Is there anything else you’d like to add?
I would like to say a huge thank you to you, Roque, for your interest in the band and wanting to do this interview. It’s been an absolute pleasure to be involved in your blog. Big thanks must go to my sister Julie for getting in touch with you and organising this interview – and her support back in the day (she wrote the sleeve notes for the flexi). Thank you also to anyone that has put any of our tracks up on YouTube or written stuff about us – I’m delighted people are enjoying our music after all this time. Cheers!!
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