Thanks so much to Chris Hughes for the interview!! I wrote about Red Hour on the blog some time ago looking for information as I loved their songs. Happily he got in touch and was up to answer all my questions. He was also very kind and has shared memorabilia of the band! Check out Sounds Review (Jan. 1991) and Melody Maker Review (Nov 1991).
++ Hi Chris! Thanks so much for getting in touch! How are you? Where are you at now? Still in Barrow-in-Furness?
Where am I. Where am I. Inside. I am fine. Itching eye brows. On a chair. In a studio attached to a farm. Outside it is vertical sleet and wind. Pervades every pore. Nearly as bad as Oymyakon. Barrow in Furness is very west UK. I swapped it years ago for very east UK. East from west. Westerly went easterly. So now I east. Not west. Sun looks different.
++ Are you all from Red Hour still in touch to this day? And when was the last time you picked up your bass? Still in a band perhaps?
Spin out slides onto the record turntable sometimes. Still like the starkness of the white label on the black vinyl test pressing. Simplicity. I listen to that sometimes as I said. So I figure I still in touch musically. We all connect up as individuals one way or another I think. A bit like a circuit in series. We not all connected together adjacent but there is a threaded connection. Like a circuit in series.
Think I picked up my bass about 6570 days ago roughly. I have a habit of leaving basses with other folk and band folk. Think I picked it up when I passed through a while back visiting one of them folks a while back. About 6570 days approximately.
Still in a band? No. Not really. No. An ongoing musical artistic distant collaboration with son palace is about close as I get.
++ Let’s start from the beginning. Like what are your first musical memories? What was the first instrument did you get and how? And how did you learn to play bass?
I cut my dance moves and learnt the tune and words to ‘The Banana Split Show’ in my early youth and if you segue that with some of Sidney Bechet’s ‘Summertime’ and a bit of ‘Black Beauty’ soundtrack well that be the start of my musical education as a youngster. Although I did quite like the quietness of the moon landings on the black and white television we had. And I mean The Clangers were pretty musical too. And I quite liked Bagpuss in a calming quiet way.
I used to hawk around junk shops and second hand stalls in my home town as a teenager. I remember seeing a cheap nasty bass with flat wound strings on it. I bought it. It was cheap. It was a bit nasty. Flat wound strings and the feel of the bass got me hooked.
I tried to sell it 6 months later at a shop near where I bought it from. I told the stall holder I wanted to sell my bass and I handed it to him. He said ‘I don’t want to buy a cricket bat’.
++ Had any of you been involved with other bands prior to Red Hour?
No. This band was the first expedition out into band territory. Prior bands. No. None. No.
++ How was Barrow-in-Furness back then? Were there any bands that you liked? What were the good record stores? Or what about the pubs or venues to go check out up and coming bands?
There was ‘The White Lion’. And then there was ‘The White Lion’ and I guess if you were stuck . . there was ‘The White Lion’. The White Lion pub was the place to be. The musicians hang out. About the size of a small small, small terrace house. Barrow lies on a western peninsula of the U.K. It has a few satellite islands connected to it. Piel island. Sheep island. Tiny islands with stretching dunes of sand hills and natural reservoirs. You could sleep in the dunes and see shooting stars. Lakes and meres filled with char and pike and also mountains lay just outside Barrow.
Record emporiums. Well there was one. Earthquake Records. Genius place. An education. An education and two thirds. And in size much smaller than a small, small terrace hose. Tiny. Almost dog kennel sized shop. Diminutive. But smelt amazing.
++ When and how did the band start? What was the recruiting process like?
Guy turns up at my parents.
With a cassette.
Plays. See no evil.
Plays. Do it clean.
Plays. Read it in books.
Best job interview ever.
No words said.
Didn’t pay too well.
But best job ever. That was the recruiting process.
++ Why the name Red Hour?
The term is used by some employers to describe a one hour slot that is relatively less productive than the other more productive hours in a productive working day. That is where the name came from. Seriously.
++ How was the creative process for you? Where did you usually practice?
Creative process. We did more takes and repeats than Stanley Kubrick.
School halls. Basements. Cellars. Church halls. Factory outhouses. Working men’s clubs. Scout huts. Tin sheds. Bowling green huts. Living rooms. Flats. Occasional stairwells. Sometimes outside.
++ And who would you say were influences in the sound of the band?
Throw together Tom Verlaine, The Mighty Lemon Drops, the Bunnymen, the Fall, the Wedding Present, REM, Captain Beefheart, the Family Cat, Cocteau Twins, Gary Cook, the Pixies, Stravinsky, the Smiths, John Peel, Husker Du. These were pretty much the vinyls and music that were getting spun around that time at the flats and parties that were going on in the Furness Peninsula.
++ I discovered your music through the compilation “I Might Walk Home Alone” that was released by Wilde Club Records. On it, you appear with the song “Treat”. Wondering then two things, if you can tell me the story behind this song and how did you end up appearing on this compilation? I suppose you played the Wilde Club?
‘Treat’ on this compilation was Barry’s (Wilde club) choice as I remember. I seem to recollect we wish a different track had been used but it was pressed and complete. And so it remained.
Story behind Treat. One of the few songs to collapse on stage due to too many cold ales before a gig. No excuse your Honour.
++ Your first release was a 7″ on a label called Cogent Records who mostly released stuff by The Tier Garden. Who were behind this label and what was your relationship with them?
Cogent was ran by ‘The Tier Garden’. They were close to ‘Grown Up Strange’ who I know you have mentioned previously. When we put out ‘5Qs’ as it seemed to make sense to use and grow that label. They kindly let us jump onto it ( a thanking you and salut Cogent). Cogent also put out records by ‘Perfect Circle’. Cogent and The Tier Garden were basically the same team. They were also responsible for getting bands like ‘The Weather Prophets’, ‘The Stone Roses’ and ‘James’ to play the legendary ‘Bluebird club’ in Barrow in the 80s. And yes, Cogent bunch – they frequented The White Lion.
++ The two songs on this record are “Five Questions” and “Films About Me”. Both were recorded at Out of the Blue Studios in Manchester. How was that experience?
I remember the engineer having underpants hanging from his sock. I remember 50 takes at trying to get drum sounds and speeds right (with a hangover). I remember having to travel back weeks later because the master tapes screwed up. I remember folk from the Inspiral Carpets turning up during recording. I remember the cramped travelling down to Manchester in a Hyundai. Recording one day. Mixing the next. Partying and not sleeping.
++ Both being fantastic songs, can I ask, in a sentence or two, what are they about?
‘Films about me’. Well you did ask. I remember Dave telling me this was a about a young man who took his own life by jumping in front of a train – I think because of bullying. And 5Qs is simply about 5 questions – I would be vaguer if I could. I always try to think what this track is about but always get side tracked by the pretty nice bass line.
++ What inspired you for the artwork, for the design, of the sleeve for this record?
A big thanks to graphics and sleeve designer Jonah F who helped with this. Jonah sorted all the Cogent label decals out and pretty much ran the whole cover himself. The ear shapes used to be a way of telling if you had criminal traits. Black, white and 1 colour due to cost. Also Jonah was not involved in the ‘spin out’ cover and does it show. Yes. My ear is not on the cover.
++ After this release Barry Newman from Wilde Club was to release your 12″ on his label. On it there were four songs and I notice one of them was “Five Questions”. Was it the same version or a re-recorded version of the one that appears on the 7″? And why did you decide to include it again?
I think we all thought 5 Qs might be the song that would get airplay and create a wide wider audience. The recording is exactly the same mix. So including it with ‘Spin Out’ made sense. The wider wider audience never quite happened.
++ I’ve actually worked and been in touch with a few bands that released on the Wilde Club like The Suncharms or Shine! How was your relationship with Barry and with the bands he released? Did you like any?
We gigged at least twice with ‘The Suncharms’. I was at a gig several years ago and I starting talking to the guy next to me. Turned out he was from The Suncharms. We talked about travelling the length and length of the country in a cramped Hyundai to play a gig to one person who was normally the person behind the bar.
I only communicated with Barry via letter as I remember. Records got released. Press releases got sent. I think Barry was waiting for the wider audience to occur also. I know Barry initially wondered if our singer was from ‘The Wolfhounds’. David Canavan compared to David Cavanagh. Our singer was ‘Canavan’.
++ Were there more compilation appearances by the band other than the one on Wilde Club?
No more compilations that I am aware of.
++ Was there any interest from other labels? Perhaps big labels?
The hazy memories of sending out press releases, boxing records, phoning radio stations and phoning record companies and the waiting for the phone to ring and letter box to squeak. Why we never got an agent I don’t know. Proper old school diy approach – the perfect way to make sure you always keep a nice, small, very small niche audience. The Cogent team were much better prepared and business like. Red Hour were not not not business minded.
++ You recorded a Peel Session in 1992. That must have been amazing. How was that? Did you meet Peel or not? How long did it take to record it? Who worked with you? And why did you choose the four songs (“All I Need”, “William Jailor”, “Free Fall”, “Almost There”) for this session?
The Peel session. Got aired twice. Down to Maida Vale studio 3 to record the songs in a day. All sardined into the old Hyundai and straight to London. Was a bit like a kids day out at the Wonka factory. I remember being told to go and have some food at the canteen and there was the whole of the London Philharmonic striking up in the adjacent studio and there was us wondering if we had to pay for our beans on toast as we held our trays looking like something from a Dickens film. We took no photos of that day. Our lack of visual documentation is commendable in general. The songs sound so fast because the situation was so surreal. I think our bodies and coordination were just lost in the strangeness and madness of where we found ourselves.
The 4 songs were pretty much the latest tracks we had done. Rather than rely on 2 or 3 tried and tested older tracks that we knew were solid – we opted for 4 new ones. Another case of not really maximising your search for a wider audience. I don’t think these tracks had what ‘Spin Out’ and ‘5Qs’ had. Would have been nice to hear them recorded at Maida Vale.
I talked to John Peel the night the session went out. I listened to the show live at home and had to dash out to the red phone box one hundred yards from my flat to give him some gig details. Got back in time to hear him announce them. Nice use of technology. Nice surreal phone call.
++ And by the way who is “William Jailor”?
I believe ‘William J Leptimane’ is mentioned in the first line. An oblique nod to Mel Brooks in Blazing Saddles.
++ There are no more releases by the band, that’s kind of a bummer. But I did find on YouTube a bunch of unreleased songs by the band. Where do these come from?
Including the singles released there was probably about an album worth of material that would cut it. In my opinion ‘5Qs’, ‘Spin Out’ and ‘Films about me’ were probably the most accomplished of them. They had a certain spark to them. Some of the unreleased tracks would be from live tapes from the many gigs we played around this time and would not have made it too a next recording. There was a beautiful close knit crowd so many gigs were recorded and passed around.
++ Are there any more unreleased songs aside from the ones I found on Richard Attwood’s YouTube account?
I seem to remember after ‘Spin Out’ we kept looking to put out a new release as quick as we could but ‘Wilde Club’ were booked up with releases and time just seemed to run away. I think those singles and the Peel session were a natural end. Considering when some of us started in the band we could not even string two notes together – I think we did alright. When I say us. I mean mostly me.
We had a few songs that were recorded after Spin Out that definitely started to list towards PJ Harvey and Steve Albini loud and quiet sound dynamics. They be on someone’s dusty tape somewhere.
++ And if you were to choose your favourite Red Hour song, which would it be and why?
Spin out. Films about me. They just have a bit of something. Simple raw pop charm punk.
++ What about gigs? Did you play many? Any in particular that you remember?
Many? Yes. Many. No diary of where we played but we did cover some ground. I did not drive at the time. I got to sleep and slumber whilst others drove. I remember the gigs with ‘The Wedding Present’ vaguely. I remember sitting backstage at the Edinburgh gig. It was incredibly quiet – you could hear a pin drop (don’t call me cliché man). I went from backstage to front stage to check turnings of all the equipment. The place was lifting. Rammed. Electric. Full. Walked back stage again in shock. That was a fun time. I think we sold one t shirt.
Another legendary trip in the Hyundai with guitars on our laps was to play ‘The Arts and Anarchy Festival’ in Lille. (Thanks to being aired on Peel). Great bunch over there looked after us over there. I miss the old Hyundai.
++ And were there any bad gigs at all? Any anecdotes you could share?
Bad gigs. Just the ones where you travelled back in the early hours after playing only to the bar tender for £25 in a pub the size of a dog kennel, where the A&E folk never turned up and the record company folk could not be bothered to turn up either and that was after travelling 300 miles each way. Yes. And breaking down in the snow on the way home. With no food. No drink. In the wilds. With no phones. No money. Yes. That happened loads.
++ When and why did you split? Did you continue making music afterwards?
Right time. Peel session. 2 decent records from a bunch of no hopers. (Well, mainly me). Gigs across Europe. 3 or 4 T shirts sold. That big enough for me. And I think we got tired of being stuck in snow in the Hyundai together.
++ Was there ever a reunion gig or talks of a reunion gig?
No. And. No. No. And. No.
++ How do you feel about the C86 genre, do you feel like you fit there or you’d say you were something else?
I loved the feel of the C86 era. Sarah records. Pastels. Orange Juice. Postcard records. These groups certainly padded out my record collection. I do not think we were part of that particular genre but it did feature a lot within the scene in Furness. The Peach Thieves were very much a perfect fit for that. Another rather cute Furness outfit.
++ Did you get much attention from the radio or press?
I remember the interview with Mark Radcliffe for BBC Radio that Geoff and I did in Carlisle. We turned up feeling a touch anxious or maybe a massively amount anxious. We were not exactly outgoing Shakespearean types. It was about as comfortable as Theresa May meeting Mark E Smith. Another long, long, very, very quiet 150 mile journey home. But at least we got home that time.
I think after that we gave up on radio.
++ What about from fanzines?
We were too busy sending out press releases and phoning record companies and partying and organising gigs and rehearsing and working and waiting for the letter box to open and packaging records and mailing them out to think about involving fanzines. (Now that would have given us a wider audience wouldn’t it. Why did we not get an agent again?)
++ I hear Geoff Cook continues making music to this day. Anywhere you could point us where to listen or check out his music?
Son Palace. Fine recordings by this reclusive outfit. Never play live. Very C86 in the recording philosophy. Think there will be a new album later this year. Was well received by BBC Radio 6 and Gideon Coe. Son Palace – Accumulations is available now through bandcamp.
Also Castles in Space records released Gary Cook recordings a couple years back. Stunning stuff from the C86 era. Also available on bandcamp also and pressed on some pretty good vinyl. To avoid confusion. Gary Cook and Geoff Cooke are not related other than they have the same surname but spelt differently. Both from the Furness Peninsula and both with fine fine recordings to their respective names.
++ And today, aside from music, what other hobbies do you have?
I have a studio I sit in. It is incredibly quiet. There is a chair. Some paper. A few other things. There is rain outside. Cold. I have a chair to sit on. On which I am sitting.
++ Looking back in retrospective, what would you say was the biggest highlight for the band?
That bit were the drumsticks go ‘click’ ‘click’ ‘click’ ‘click’ and you hit the strings and the amps are turned on.
++ How is Barrow-in-Furness today? Has it changed much? If I was to visit one day, what would you say are the sights I shouldn’t miss? Or the traditional food or drinks I should try?
The sights you should not miss in Barrow.
Well. The White Lion has gone.
So.
Well I would say go to either Piel Island or Sheep Island.
Yes. Sheep Island or Piel Island.
If I were you though…. I would opt for Piel Island. It has a pub and a castle and 3 houses.
Sheep Island has no houses, no pub and used to be used as a smallpox isolation quarantine.
++ Thanks again Chris! Is there anything else you’d like to add?
As far as I know. This is true. Salut.
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Red Hour – Five Questions
