Thanks so much to the 5 Marteen sisters and brothers: Babs Marteen, Lola Marteen, Malcolm Marteen, Hernandez Marteen, and Cholmondeley Marteen for the interview! Their brand new retrospective compilation came out on February 26th on Firestation Records. The first time I heard them was on the Sound of Leamington Spa, with the song “First Kiss”. It was fantastic, and since then I always wanted to hear to more songs by them. This will finally happen, and I’m very excited about that. If you have never heard about the Nottingham band before, or if you are like me, curious about them after hearing a few of their songs, here’s their story!

++ So let’s start from the beginning, like when did you know or what inspired you, to be in a band?

Hernandez: That moment when I saw Johnny Rotten singing Pretty Vacant on Top of the Pops on TV. Snarling, telling the truth.

Lola: Singing along to Blondie on the radio since 1978.

Malcolm: listening to our dad’s Jim Reeves albums – He’ll Have to Go is a cracking song. But what really inspired me to be in a band was the theme song to Fireball XL5, pure indiepop pathos in a perfect pop parcel. Here’s a great enhanced version of the song.

Babs: Always singing as a child with my hairbrush in my hand , loved the sounds of groups like The Supremes,The Ronettes, The Shangri-Las, ect . I used to daydream about being in a group.

Cholmondeley: when they showed all The Beatles films on the BBC: Christmas 1978. 

++ And what would be your first music memories? What was your first instrument and how did you get it?

Lola: A plastic recorder which I wasn’t allowed to play at home as my mum hated the sound. Then a beautiful left-handed Tanglewood acoustic guitar bought by an ex-boyfriend which I left in Australia as I couldn’t fit it in my baggage allowance.

Hernandez: Acoustic guitar. I worked as a newspaper delivery boy, and a cream (!?!) delivery boy to save up the money to get it.

Malcolm: a violin. I saved up my pocket money and asked relatives for money instead of Easter eggs. Then it was a choice between a new Action Man or a violin. Babs and Lola used to wet the bow without me knowing so it wouldn’t grip the strings – it sounded terrible.

Babs: A plastic recorder for me too, followed by an electric keyboard . It was massive like a church organ .

Cholmondeley: a kazoo. I had a kazoo band called The Brix. We had a great song called ‘’Dusseldorf Fart’.

Malcolm: what key was that in?

Cholmondeley: Dunno, but it was a real seam splitter

++ Had you all been involved with bands prior to The Marteens?

Lola: No. Although I did have a solo in a sixth form production of “Godspell”.

Malcolm: I played a five string electric guitar in a bedroom band called Citizens Band. It should have had six strings but the top E broke and I didn’t have enough money for a new set.

Babs: No never had the confidence.

Hernandez: A ghost-writer on our facebook page is suggesting that there are facial similarities between some members of Me and Dean Martin and The Marteens. We should have worn moustaches.

Cholmondeley: I’d been a terrible guitarist: so decided to become a terrible bass-player. Fewer strings!

++ When was the band formed? Who were the band members, what did each of you play and how did you all know each other?

Lola: Spring of 1991. I answered an advert for a female singer, left on a table or possibly in the toilets of Jacey’s Bar on Lower Parliament St. I didn’t know anyone else in the band could play! But I remember us all getting on. Much rehearsal fun. ‘Till they told us we had a gig. Then it was “Oh sh*t!”

Malcolm: I played guitar – I had six strings by this stage. I think it was Cholmondeley who left the note in the ladies toilets. We had no idea it would be one of our sisters who answered it. When Lola says she didn’t know anyone in the band could play, I’m sure she really means she didn’t want to know us, you know, big brothers are embarrassing and we used to show her up in front of her mates.

Babs: I was in The old Angel one night ,when one of my friends told me my brother Cholmondeley had just been kicked out by the bouncers . He was in the girls toilets again handing out his phone no . It turned out he wasn’t on the pull but trying to find a female singer for a band the boys were putting together. I was livid that they had not asked me so threatened to tell our parents about his toilet capers and the rest is history.

Cholmondeley: actually I was on the pull: the music was a sinister cover story. I’m not like that now.

Malcolm: so it was more than one female toilet block Cholmondeley was found loitering in.

Hernandez: I remember getting drunk enough to hand out leaflets, but can’t remember anything beyond that.   I do remember that I helped write the songs, and played occasional guitar.

Cholmondeley: I very much looked forward to Babs and Lola’s mates turning up for the auditions. It was very wholesome. I helped out with diaphragm exercises and stuff. We never recruited anyone else in the end, as we realised we’d have to pay ‘em.

++ What is the story behind the band’s name?

Malcolm: it’s the family surname.

++ What sort of music were you into at the time? What would you say were your influences?

Lola: Indie. Blondie. Humorous dance, e.g. Dee Lite.

Hernandez: The Paris Sisters, The Ronettes, The Shirelles, The Crystals, The Chiffons. These were the pure pop girls groups for me. They were absolutely the template for the songs we were aiming for, added to the indiepop feel. The Paris Sisters’ ‘I Love How You Love Me’ is almost unbearably beautiful. The Marteens’ version of it is on the forthcoming album release. I am so proud of it.

Malcolm: The Love Affair – great arrangements and melodies, The Beach Boys with their fantastic harmonies, Edison Lighthouse and Tony Burrows with their great tunes.

Babs: I was really into the indie scene at the time and The Wonder Stuff were top on my list , but I was a secret Madonna fan behind closed doors . ( would never have admitted to it at the time )

Malcolm: the Madonna thing explains that strange outfit you turned-up to one gig wearing, Babs.

Cholmondeley: ‘I only have eyes for you’ by The Flamingos. It’s from another planet!

Lola: That is truly beautiful, Cholmondeley.

++ How was Nottingham at that time? Were there any like minded bands that you liked?

Malcolm: The Legendary Dolphins, Hurt, Slaughterhouse Five, Hepburn, Idi Eisenstein, Dr Egg, Huge Big Massive, Po!, The Waiting List plus there was a very active thrash metal scene thanks to Ear Ache Records and bands such as Lawnmower Deth.

Cholmondeley: my cousin was in The Legendary Dolphins for two weeks but he got chucked out over a Hobnob incident.

Hernandez: That takes the biscuit.

++ And where would you usually hang out in Nottingham? Like what were the venues to check out bands or the good record stores?

Lola: I loved Nottingham’s social scene at that time. Playing pool at The Newcastle and Navigation. Sat nights at the Garage (indie club night) or upstairs at the Hearty Goodfellow and gigs at Rock City, where I also worked behind the bar.

Malcolm: Aldo’s coffee shop with the fantastic donuts, Jacey’s Bar, The Old Angel, Russell’s, The Hippo, The Garage, Eden and Rock City which is still the best live venue in the country and where Lola wouldn’t sell us drinks if she thought we’d already had too much.

Babs: Rock City and The Garage were my favourite hang outs, and I loved going into Selecter Disc rummaging through all that vinyl.

Malcolm: that was a great record shop. Do you remember Rob’s Record Mart? If you didn’t know the name of a song he’d ask you to sing it. He had everything. I bought an original copy of If Paradise is Half as Nice in there.

++ How was the creative process for the band?

Malcolm: on the earlier songs we wanted to contrast the lovely melodies with the harsh distorted guitars and driving bass – we tried to imagine what the Ronettes singing over the Buzzcocks as a backing band might sound like. On the later songs we tried to take this further by keeping the verses and choruses jangly and light and contrasting this with lots of noise in the instrumental sections.

++ The first song I heard by The Marteens was “A First Kiss” which appeared on the 4th volume of The Leamington Spa series. It is a fantastic song, I love it. You already told the story behind the song on the liner notes, but wondering how come it took so many years for the retrospective to come out?

Malcolm: First Kiss is a great song and it sits very comfortably on the Leamington Spa compilation. We all got jobs and went our own ways and the original tapes were lost. Then one day at a family reunion Babs turned up with a CD of all the songs. Apparently the tapes had been gathering dust in Cholmondeley’s previous flat from 20 years ago, and when he returned to ask if his banjo signed by Marlene Dietrich might be in the basement, he found it, plus the tapes. Babs copied them and kept them as a surprise for the three of us at the reunion.

++ I’ve heard a few other songs on Youtube. I think my favourite would be “Boys Talk“, it is such a great tune! What’s the story behind this song?

Hernandez: Babs and Lola spat that one out, when we three brothers were in the third hour of trying to work out which ice cream we prefer, and what colour of smarties is the best. I still don’t fully get what they are trying to say in the song.

Lola: It unabashedly glorifies a stereotype that I somewhat bought into in my youth. However it does raise a worthy topic for debate.

Hernandez: Again, I’m not really getting this.

++ You’ve uploaded some songs to Youtube like “I Hope It Rains in your Wedding Day” or “What’s a Girl To Do?”. Was wondering then how many more songs were recorded by the band? And will all of them appear on the Firestation retrospective?

Malcolm: The album is called ‘We’re the Marteens’. There are 15 songs on the album including different versions of a few of them plus a tremendous cover version of one of our favourite songs.

++ And how come none of these songs were released back in the day? Was there any interest by labels?

Malcolm: we never did get round to releasing anything although we always felt the songs were strong.

++ There weren’t any compilation appearances either, right?

Malcolm: Leamington Spa was the only one and then Boys Talk showed up on the internet.

++ Do tell me where were these songs recorded? And how was the recording process for the band?

Malcolm: All the songs were recorded in Nottingham. There were two main phases of recording. Some of the tracks were recorded at home on four-track and I’m surprised how much we squeezed onto those four tracks. The second phase was recorded at a small local rehearsal studio with an 8-track machine.

Cholmondeley: engineered by the great Dave Chang – who was named after his favourite guitar sound.

++ For you, what is your favourite Marteens song and why?

Lola: My Hopeless Friend. Classic teenage heartbroken angst. And May All Your Tears Beguile (‘cos I wrote the lyrics).

Hernandez: What’s A Girl To Do? ‘Sunset in a lonely sky, standing on a beach at night, I hear a voice say ‘oh, what a feeling’; Wind sweeping through my hair, walking like I don’t care, but, of course, I do’, and then Lola comes in with ‘La..la…la’. It gets me every time. Massive pop.

Malcolm: First Kiss, it’s got a good beat. I love the melody and the story plus it’s a little strange because it doesn’t really have a chorus.

Cholmondeley: love the ‘’Too much, too young”- esque guitar fills on that one. Sorry, talking with my mouth full of kiwi crumble….

Hernandez: Remember what mum used to say – ‘don’t mumble when you crumble’.

Babs: It has to be What’s A Girl To Do?. Only because I moved away from Nottingham to the seaside some years ago, and when life throws a turd at you I find myself singing that in my head when I’m walking my dog up the beach.

Cholmondeley: Cherry Trees – cos I’m sensitive as shit.

++ What about gigs? Did you play many? Any particular good ones that you remember and why?

Lola: I remember how nervous Babs and I were at our first gig upstairs at the Old Angel and every gig afterwards, come to think of it. Maybe our outfits didn’t help. Hot pants over black tights and a leotard.

Babs: OMG I remember those outfits lol. I think we may have even had our hair in bunches.

Malcolm: we played a great gig at The Navigation with Idi Eisenstein but their guitarist kept eyeing up my semi-acoustic so I had to keep an eye on him all night. I seem to recall we used to play a cover of The Bay City Rollers’ Bye Bye Baby – there were loads of key changes.

Cholmondeley: I don’t remember much about them. This was the early 90s if you get me. This treacle sponge is fantastic, but I fancy something a bit savoury now …

Hernandez: I think Cholmondeley has hit his sweet spot.

++ And where there any bad ones that you remember?

Malcolm: we thought it would be cool to play live with a drum machine instead of live drums once but we couldn’t hear the drum machine in the monitors. It turned out like some kind of a-rhythmic counter-culture fusion with the instruments half a bar ahead of the drums. The style didn’t catch on.

Lola: A stand out moment was when an audience member fell on the floor laughing during my spoken bit of “Boys Talk”. He said he thought I was trying to rap. He was an acquaintance of Cholmondeley’s who I was dating at the time. The relationship didn’t last much longer.

Malcolm: he was never right for you.

++ I saw some photos by the band and I notice you had a very colourful style! Was wondering about those shirts and dresses you wore. Was it your normal outfits or was it just for the band?

Lola: That dress was pretty much standard daywear for me back then. Vintage dresses from Backlash or charity shops. Black DM boots were my most expensive item.

Hernandez: That red paisley shirt I’m wearing is the one Me and Dean Martin sang about on ‘Me and My Paisley Shirt’.

Malcolm: I think I’m wearing a green polo shirt – that was racy enough for me

Babs: I was boring baggy jeans and black tops most of the time.

Cholmondeley: I was reviving the haircuts of Welsh rugby players circa 1973. Known as a short Bach and sides.

++ Did you get much attention from the radio or press? What about fanzines?

Cholmondeley: fab local fanzine ‘’Mutate” edited by Idi Blod was very supportive. We later featured in their top strip: ‘Ron Pemberton: Super Predator’

++ And then when and why did you split? What happened after? Did you all continue making music?

Lola: Sadly no. I travelled about a bit. Spent 3 years in Australia. Then a career change to nursing.

Babs: Can’t really remember what happened (it was along time ago).

Malcolm: it wasn’t really a split more a growing apart as careers and families became priorities. There was no big bust up over artistic differences or anything like that although I seem to recall that Hernandez still owes me a fiver.

Hernandez: We may have had a Banana Split, but actually I think I always preferred a Knickerbocker Glory special. It was never easy when mum and dad took us out to the ice cream parlour.

Cholmondeley: … thank heavens we stopped when we did… My gallbladder was the size of Manhattan by the end.

++ What about today? What do you do? Still making music or not? What other hobbies do you have?

Lola: I’m a part-time nurse and part-time post grad student, studying Person-Centred Experiential Psychotherapy. I like to sing in the shower and am trying to learn to play the banjo when I have time. I can make a good sound on my didgeridoo. I also knit scarves.

Hernandez: Banjo it up, Lola! I play acoustic guitar and sing in a music hall and folk band called Bendigo’s Bazaar. We’ve just started gigging and recording. Check out our youtube channel and facebook page!

Malcolm: I’ve got a banjo. Didgeridoo Lola?….please….didgeridon’t.

Babs: Hay i’ve got a banjo too, cant play it though. Still love singing in the shower, but keep me away from the Karaoke when I’m drunk!!!. I also take part in a village Panto once a year. We are known as The Old Farts. They are always really bad but very funny and all the money we raise goes to local charities.

Malcolm: three banjos and an acoustic guitar – I really hope Cholmondeley has a tuba, what a career we could have.

Hernandez: He’s got a tuba-smarties. I like the orange ones. But why do you want to know about our confectionery habits? Sometimes, I find interviews hard to follow.

Cholmondeley: I think it’s obvious what happened to my bloody banjo! This cherry pop’s nice.

Hernandez: Oh, somebody’s tightly strung.

++ Tell me a bit about Nottingham today, I’ve been there just for a couple of hours on the way to Indietracks many times but never had the chance to explore. If one was to go as a tourist, what would you say one shouldn’t miss seeing, and what would be a traditional Nottingham meal?

Lola: The old pubs like the Trip to Jerusalem, the Bell and the Malt Cross.

Hernandez: Lola’s tips are good. Also have a pint of beer in one of the little snugs in The Peacock, also a classic old school pub. The Alley Cafe for good, hearty veggie food. Edin’s for a cake and coffee. Go to a day’s cricket at Trent Bridge. Visit the mystically beautiful Sherwood Forest, especially around The Major Oak.

Malcolm: they’ve got two turntables in the Peacock and a nice open fire. Newstead Abbey is a must, as is a walk around Attenborough Nature Reserve where I’m told they have Sand Martins. Does Lola only ever hang out in pubs these days?

Cholmondeley: Sand Martins is my favourite beer actually.

Lola: I only ever hung around in pubs. But stayed within the government’s recommended weekly maximum alcohol limit (14 units).

Babs: Dont forget The Salutation and The Royle Children. Lola . LOL

Malcolm: why?..what happened in there then, anything we should know about?

Lola: Unfortunately I can’t remember.

Cholmondeley: Nottingham is officially the gaming capital of the UK; which is fat use to me, frankly.

++ One last question. Looking back, what would you say was the biggest highlight for The Marteens?

Lola: Meeting up with everyone again after 25 years over some fine food and drink. They hadn’t changed. And having our songs released in 2018. Stupendous!

Babs: I agree with Lola .

Malcolm: fantastic reunion and working together on the album.

Hernandez: The pure Knickerbocker Glory of it all.

Cholmondeley: something precious plucked out of the aether. We could have let it be, y’know ..?

++ Thanks so much! Anything else you’d like to add?

Lola: If we gig again, we’d love fans old and new to join us. And if anyone does collapse to the floor, well I’m a nurse now, so I can help. Take care x

Hernandez: Respect to Lola for that brilliant arc! ‘M. A. R. T. Double E. N. S. What does that mean?… ‘

Malcolm: it’s just great to think that after 25 years there are still people out there, like those at Firestation, who want to keep the music alive and people running blogs and fanzines, like Cloudberry, who want to keep the memories alive through their writing.

Cholmondeley: pass the lime pickle please Malc …

Malcolm: you know I hate being called Malc.

Hernandez: Hey, Malc, why’s Cholmondeley having lime pickle with that Knickerbocker Glory? Sometimes, I find interviews hard to follow. Thank goodness, we have Babs and Lola to keep us right…. Oh, they’ve gone off into a huddle in the corner, and are muttering darkly. I think I heard them say something about ‘Boys Talk part 2’….

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The Marteens – First Kiss